ECB monetary policy still too restrictive
Ms Herrmann, contrary to the expectations of many, the ECB recently cut interest rates again. Was that the right move?
We had been expecting for some time that the data situation would eventually prompt the ECB to move faster on rates. It has now done so quicker than we originally thought. The economic recovery is weaker than the ECB expected. The data of the past few months has apparently raised so many question marks for the central bank that it could no longer ignore them.
After the meeting, ECB President Christine Lagarde did not want to comment on whether or not a further interest rate cut is likely to follow in December. I assume you expect one?
Our forecast is that the ECB will announce a rate cut of 25 basis points at every meeting until June 2025. The deposit rate would then be 2%. But even then it won't be the end. We expect two more easings by the end of next year, then to a deposit rate of 1.5%.
According to many economists, this would mean that monetary policy would be expansionary by the end of 2025. According to you as well?
I find it difficult to argue why the neutral interest rate should be higher than before 2019. Of course, the neutral interest rate cannot be determined exactly, but I assume that it is more likely to be 1.5% than 2% or higher. So no, even after these interest rate cuts, monetary policy would not be expansionary in my view.
Economists and some central bankers argue that the neutral interest rate has risen due to structural issues, such as geopolitical conflicts or the green transformation of the economy. Why are you not convinced by this?
Let's take the example of the labour market: a shortage of labour could lead to higher wages and higher inflation. However, fewer people of working age could also reduce overall economic demand, which would dampen inflation. Researchers are divided on whether demographic change ultimately leads to structurally higher inflation or not. This is also the case with the other issues you mentioned. I therefore think it is wrong to assume that inflation will definitely be structurally higher. And if the ECB's monetary policy were to be geared towards this, it would be a major risk.
Because monetary policy would be too restrictive?
Monetary policy is perhaps much more restrictive than the ECB assumes. The ECB is slowing down the economy more than it realises. It is therefore very sensible that it has lowered interest rates again, giving the economy more room to breathe. The ECB is currently far too restrictive. It needs to cut interest rates significantly.
Why has the ECB repeatedly been too optimistic in its growth forecasts?
The ECB's predictions on the development of private consumption and private investment in particular are quite optimistic. And these assumptions do not seem to be materialising. However, I have to say that we are all collectively somewhat surprised at how savings rates have developed since last summer.
Why are consumers still reluctant to spend more, despite real wage gains?
That is difficult to answer. A comparatively high savings rate can perhaps be explained by a permanent effect of the energy crisis on the long-term outlook. But the second question is why the savings rate is actually rising again. This raises a number of other questions. In any case, it is not good news for the economy in the eurozone.
Europe's economic weakness is also due to structural components. So to what extent can interest rate cuts actually lead to higher economic activity?
Monetary policy does have a noticeable effect on the economy. However, it is still too early to see the effects on the real economy, due to the delayed impact of monetary policy. We can already see that credit conditions are not being tightened any further. If they then become looser in the coming months, this will relieve the economy, and should make growth somewhat easier.
Would an expansionary monetary policy by the ECB in the course of 2025 be worth considering in your opinion?
Yes, there is already a risk scenario today. If the economy continues to fail to gain momentum, and the inflation outlook could fall well below 2% from 2026, then this should be discussed at the ECB.